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« Reply #165 on: September 05, 2006, 03:48:17 PM »

Oh, thanks for answering, Dave.

Short stories in general might work on a separate thread (like they're doing for the Annie Proulx short stories right now).  I just thought that on our main “book club” thread, it might be harder to divide the reading material up week-by-week during the month, and have an integrated discussion of the work as a whole, as we’ve been doing for our novels, if we did a collection of short stories.  On our main “book club” thread, I would kind of like to stick to an entire "work," with the same characters, for the entire month, because you can see more character development, or a more complete storyline, from beginning to end.

But it sounds like you think the stories in Jesus' Son are integrated enough that this wouldn’t be a problem, so I’ll accept that.

My other concerns about price and availability did NOT apply to Jesus' Son.  Please don't hit me over the head with a ton of bricks, but my on-line book service has always been barnesandnoble.com, and since that's where my account is set up I'm not likely to change.  That's beside the point; they probably have the same books as amazon.com.  I checked on availability of all the books at B&N, and only a hardcover was listed for "Grief".  I'm guessing the paperback isn't out yet -- and I write in the books we talk about (and underline) and that seems like a poor way to treat a brand-new hardcover book.  Another one I thought sounded interesting, Rag and Bone, had no new copies available (hardcover or paperback) but could be ordered from "approved" or "associated" used booksellers; but I know from ordering another book that way that it can take longer.  I wouldn't rule out a book for either of those reasons, but just thought it was something to consider.

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« Reply #166 on: September 05, 2006, 03:59:11 PM »

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So, we should start reading this book on Sept. 25th and begin discussion on Oct. 2nd.  Is this enough time for readers to get the book, or would you prefer we begin reading on Oct. 2nd and discussion on Oct. 9th?
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First off...no, I haven't lost it and am talking to myself - I just used this message as a handy reference back to this question.  As we have chosen 'The Front Runner' and it has been reprinted multiple times since 1974 (most recently in the late 90s) it is a highly available book.  I checked Amazon and there are copies both in Europe and the U.S. at used bookstores that promise shipping within 8 days.  So:

We should start reading this book on Sept. 25th and begin discussion on Oct. 2nd.

Here is a link to the book from our website's bookstore on Amazon (it has been there for a while):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/explorer/0964109964/2/ref=pd_lpo_ase/104-1762217-9182330?ie=UTF8

And if you just want to browse the bookstore go here:

http://www.davecullen.com/brokeback/store/books.html

I will put the reading schedule up soon (maybe later today or tomorrow).

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« Reply #167 on: September 09, 2006, 02:12:57 PM »

The schedule for 'The Front Runner' is here:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12775.msg459188#msg459188

I will be taking down the poll for October and putting up the poll for November tomorrow.

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« Reply #168 on: September 15, 2006, 04:13:05 AM »

Here is the data from the fourth the poll:

What should our fourth book club selection be?  (Voting closed: September 04, 2006, 07:07:28 PM)


Grief - Andrew Holleran     - 2 (8.3%)
The Front Runner - Patricia Nell Warren    - 9 (37.5%)
The God of Small Things   - Arundhati Roy    - 3 (12.5%)
Jesus' Son: Stories - Denis Johnson    - 3 (12.5%)
Rag and bone - Michael Nava    - 2 (8.3%)
The Power and the Glory - Graham Greene    - 1 (4.2%)
The City and the Pillar - Gore Vidal    - 3 (12.5%)
Giovanni's Room - James Baldwin    - 1 (4.2%)
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« Reply #169 on: September 15, 2006, 04:45:34 AM »

Here are the descriptions of the books for our fifth selection.  I have selected books this time that were in earlier polls that I thought we might want to give a second (or in some cases third) chance:

Jesus Son - Denis Johnson

The unnamed narrator in Jesus' Son lives through a car wreck and a heroin overdose. Is he blessed? He cheats, lies, steals--but possesses a child's (or a mystic's) uncanny way of expressing the bare essence of things around him. In its own strange and luminous way, this linked collection of short fiction does the same. The stories follow characters who are seemingly marginalized beyond hope, drifting through a narcotic haze of ennui, failed relationships, and petty crime. In "Dundun" the narrator decides to take a shooting victim to the hospital, though not for the usual reasons: "I wanted to be the one who saw it through and got McInnes to the doctor without a wreck. People would talk about it, and I hoped I would be liked." Later he takes his own pathetic stab at violence in "The Other Man," attempting to avenge a drug rip-off but succeeding only at terrorizing an innocent family. Each meandering story--some utterly lacking in the usual elements of plot, including a beginning and an end--nonetheless demands compulsive reading, with Denis Johnson's first calling as a poet apparent in the off-kilter beauty of his prose. Open to any page and gems spill forth: "I knew every raindrop by its name. I sensed everything before it happened. I knew a certain Oldsmobile would stop for me even before it slowed, and by the sweet voices of the family inside that we'd have an accident in the storm."

The most successful stories in the collection offer moments of startling clarity. In "Car Crash While Hitchhiking," for instance, the narrator feels most alive while in the presence of another's loss: "Down the hall came the wife. She was glorious, burning. She didn't know yet that her husband was dead.... What a pair of lungs! She shrieked as I imagined an eagle would shriek. It felt wonderful to be alive to hear it! I've gone looking for that feeling everywhere." In "Work," while "salvaging" copper wire from a flooded house to fund their habits, the narrator and an acquaintance stop to watch the nearly unfathomable sight of a beautiful, naked woman paragliding up the river. Later the narrator learns that the house once belonged to his down-and-out accomplice and that the woman is his estranged wife. "As nearly as I could tell, I'd wandered into some sort of dream that Wayne was having about his wife, and his house," he reasons. Such is the experience for the reader. More Genet than Bukowski, Denis Johnson lures us into a misfit soul's dream from which he can't awake. --Langdon Cook

The Power and the Glory - Graham Greene

How does good spoil, and how can bad be redeemed? In his penetrating novel The Power and the Glory, Graham Greene explores corruption and atonement through a priest and the people he encounters. In the 1930s one Mexican state has outlawed the Church, naming it a source of greed and debauchery. The priests have been rounded up and shot by firing squad--save one, the whisky priest. On the run, and in a blur of alcohol and fear, this outlaw meets a dentist, a banana farmer, and a village woman he knew six years earlier. For a while, he is accompanied by a toothless man--whom he refers to as his Judas and does his best to ditch. Always, an adamant lieutenant is only a few hours behind, determined to liberate his country from the evils of the church.

On the verge of reaching a safer region, the whisky priest is repeatedly held back by his vocation, even though he no longer feels fit to perform his rites: "When he was gone it would be as if God in all this space between the sea and the mountains ceased to exist. Wasn't it his duty to stay, even if they despised him, even if they were murdered for his sake? even if they were corrupted by his example?"

As his sins and dangers increase, the broken priest comes to confront the nature of piety and love. Still, when he is granted a reprieve, he feels himself sliding into the old arrogance, slipping it on like the black gloves he used to wear. Greene has drawn this man--and all he encounters--vividly and viscerally. He may have said The Power and the Glory was "written to a thesis," but this brilliant theological thriller has far more mysteries--and troubling ideals--than certainties. --Joannie Kervran Stangeland


Perfume : The Story of a Murderer - Patrick Suskind

In leisurely, aristocratic measures soaked with irony, PERFUME unfolds the gruesome, picaresque allegory of an olfactory genius-monster--a murderous perfumer of decadent eighteenth-century France. Sean Barrett gives a masterfully effete reading, with flawless articulations of character and wicked, understated nuances. He wisely plays the humor not at all, instead accentuating a kind of connoisseur's study of the Grand Guignol. Eschewing overtly Gallic inflections, he puts pre-Revolutionary France in his voice merely through lightness of touch. A feast for lovers of voluptuous language, sly wit and epicurean mayhem


Dirt Music - Tim Winton

The stunning new narrative by Australian writer Winton (The Riders, nominated for the Booker), a tale of three characters' perilous journey into the Australian wilderness in efforts to escape and atone for their pasts, may just be his breakthrough American publication. At 40, Georgie Jutland, former nurse, inveterate risk-taker, incipient alcoholic and lifelong rebel against her prominent family, has moved in with widowed lobster fisherman Jim Buckridge, "the uncrowned prince" of the western seaside community of White Point. Although Georgie devotes herself to Jim's two young sons, their relationship is uneasy and somehow empty. When she's drawn to shamateur (fish poacher) Luther Fox, who breaks the law to keep his mind from tragic memories, the lives of all three begin to unravel. Lu, the lone survivor of a disreputable family of musicians who specialized in dirt music (country blues), is a memorable character, vulnerable and appealing despite his many flaws. When the White Point community resorts to violence against him, he heads into the tropic wilderness of Australia's northern coast, and the plot begins to challenge CBS's Survivor. With masterly economy and control, Winton unfurls a story of secrets, regrets and new beginnings. His prose, sprinkled with regional vernacular, combines cool dispassion and lyric concision. Geography and landscape are palpable elements: as the narrative progresses, the atmosphere shifts from the austere monotony of a seacoast battered by wind into spectacular gorge country, the bare desolation of the desert and the terrible heat of the tropics. But it's each character's inner landscape that Winton authoritatively traverses with his unerring map of the heart.
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The Magician's Assistant - Ann Patchett

For two decades, Sabine has loved the magician Parsifal and served as his assistant. Theirs is an unorthodox relationship, however, for Parsifal loves men. When Parsifal's lover dies of AIDS, he marries Sabine so that she will be his widow. When Parsifal dies, Sabine receives some surprising news about his will. Believing her husband to have no living relatives, she is shocked to learn of a trust fund established for a mother and two sisters in Nebraska. When his family contacts her, she introduces them to the Los Angeles Parsifal. She then visits them in Nebraska to discover the truth about the man she loved and thought she knew, gaining insight into herself as well. Well written and full of interesting twists.

Three Junes  - Julia Glass

The artful construction of this seductive novel and the mature, compassionate wisdom permeating it would be impressive for a seasoned writer, but it's all the more remarkable in a debut. This narrative of the McLeod family during three vital summers is rich with implications about the bonds and stresses of kin and friendship, the ache of loneliness and the cautious tendrils of renewal blossoming in unexpected ways. Glass depicts the mysterious twists of fate and cosmic (but unobtrusive) coincidences that bring people together, and the self-doubts and lack of communication that can keep them apart, in three fluidly connected sections in which characters interact over a decade. These people are entirely at home in their beautifully detailed settings Greece, rural Scotland, Greenwich Village and the Hamptons and are fully dimensional in their moments of both frailty and grace. Paul McLeod, the reticent Scots widower introduced in the first section, is the father of Fenno, the central character of the middle section, who is a reserved, self-protective gay bookstore owner in Manhattan; both have dealings with the third section's searching young artist, Fern Olitsky, whose guilt in the wake of her husband's death leaves her longing for and fearful of beginning anew. Other characters are memorably individualistic: an acerbic music critic dying of AIDS, Fenno's emotionally elusive mother, his sibling twins and their wives, and his insouciant lover among them. In this dazzling portrait of family life, Glass establishes her literary credentials with ingenuity and panache.

Of Love And Other Demons - Gabriel Garcia Marquez

From Library Journal
In a Latin American port city during colonial times, a young girl named Sierva Maria de Todos los Angeles the only child of the ineffectual Marquis de Casalduero is bitten by a rabid dog. Her father, who has shown no interest in the child, begins a crusade to save her life, eventually committing her to the Convent of Santa Clara when the bishop persuades him that his daughter is possessed by demons. In fact, Sierva Maria has shown no signs of being infected by rabies or by demons; she is simply being punished for being different. Having been raised by the family's slaves, she knows their languages and wears their Santeria necklaces; she is perceived by the effete European Americans around her as "not of this world." Only the priest who has reluctantly accepted the job as her exorcist believes she is neither sick nor possessed but terrified after being inexplicably "interred alive" among the superstitious nuns. Nobel Prize winner Garcia Marquez writes with his usual inventiveness, but over the years his prose style has crystallized and condensed. The result is a tale whose sharp social retort is made all the louder by the luminous, uncluttered telling.

Housekeeping - Marilynne Robinson

From Publishers Weekly
Their lives spun off the tilting world like thread off a spindle," says Ruthie, the novel's narrator. The same may be said of Becket Royce's subtle, low-keyed reading. The interwoven themes of loss and love, longing and loneliness—"the wanting never subsided"—require a cool, almost impersonal touch. Royce narrates natural and manmade catastrophe and ruin as the author offers them: with a sort of watery vagueness engulfing extraordinary events. Occasionally this leads Royce to sound sleepy or to glide over humor. But she expresses Ruthie's story without any irksome effort to sound childlike, and she avoids the pitfall of dramatizing other characters, such as the awkward sheriff, the whispery insubstantiality of Aunt Sylvie or the ladies bearing casseroles to lure Ruthie away from Aunt Sylvie and into their concept of normality. Originally published in 1980 and filmed in 1987,  Anatole Broyard said: "Here is a first novel that sounds as if the author has been treasuring it up all her life...."

Lucy Gayheart - Willa Cather

From Amazon reviewer Robin Friedman:
Willa Cather's short poignant novel was written in 1935. The story takes place in the early twentienth century and contrasts the American plains, the small town of Haverford, Nebraska, with Chicago, large urban American with its promise and perils. The heroine of the book, Lucy Gayheart, has great pianistic talent. She leaves Haverford at the age of 18 to study piano, and to give music lessons, in Chicago.

In Chicago she meets a great but disillusioned and world-weary singer, Clement Sebastian, and has the opportunity to work with him as an accompanyist. There are wonderful descriptions of Schubert song-cycles: the Winterreise and the Miller's Lovely Daughter. She ultimately is seemingly faced with the choice between Sebastian and her hometown sweetheart.

Faced with tragedy from both men in Chicago, Lucy returns home. She gears herself to begin life anew but tragedy again intervenes.

There is a great deal of description in the book of the snow andthe cold, in both Chicago and Haverford. The book also has for me a feel for the tragic sense of life, with a hint of the power of art and religious faith to overcome it. The opposition between city life and provincial town life is similar to Sinclair Lewis's Main Street but with more depth and craft in the writing. The love for music, the human voice and the piano eloquently comes through the book.

This is a beautifully wrought book which deserves to be better known.

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« Reply #170 on: September 15, 2006, 10:38:03 AM »

woohoo, Jesus' Son in first place!

(of course, i'm the only one who's voted. hehehe.)
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« Reply #171 on: September 15, 2006, 11:01:00 AM »

OK, I'll vote for Jesus' son if we get to vote for Dirt Music again next time. Smiley
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« Reply #172 on: September 15, 2006, 12:32:14 PM »

OK, I'll vote for Jesus' son if we get to vote for Dirt Music again next time. Smiley

i'll take that deal. (i'll cut any and all deals. hehehe.)

hey, multiple votes are in, and Jesus' Son is pulling away! yea!!!
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« Reply #173 on: September 15, 2006, 12:41:52 PM »

That's because we feel we owe it to you, Dave.
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« Reply #174 on: September 17, 2006, 11:34:33 AM »

I would like to nominate a book for the sixth selection.  Sixth.  Yes yes, it's early; but the Spirit moves  me.

The book is a love story and a horror story.  It has female and male characters of interest.  It is gritty in its way.  I has a sort of queasy violence.  You cannot level most of the charges against it, that many "modern" novels are vulnerable to, e.g. too precious, the story does not rate a book, blah blah blah.  You might criticize it for being extremely well-crafted,I suppose, and for being about a loser, and depressing. 

Without further ado I present:  Lolita, by Vlad 'The Impaler' Nabokov.  So yclept in honor of his wounded opponents from many an academic tiff.  N.B.:  I last read it during high school, so my evaluation of it may be ~ 180 degrees wrong.
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« Reply #175 on: September 17, 2006, 01:11:04 PM »

Without further ado I present:  Lolita, by Vlad 'The Impaler' Nabokov.  So yclept in honor of his wounded opponents from many an academic tiff.  N.B.:  I last read it during high school, so my evaluation of it may be ~ 180 degrees wrong.

Great suggestion Dal!  And there is no dearth of critical writing on it too!  That would be fun.
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« Reply #176 on: September 17, 2006, 02:58:05 PM »

Without further ado I present:  Lolita, by Vlad 'The Impaler' Nabokov.  So yclept in honor of his wounded opponents from many an academic tiff.  N.B.:  I last read it during high school, so my evaluation of it may be ~ 180 degrees wrong.

Great suggestion Dal!  And there is no dearth of critical writing on it too!  That would be fun.

Wow, I have been waiting for a good excuse to read that.  Reason, I mean.  A good reason.  I have stacks of unread books.
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« Reply #177 on: September 17, 2006, 03:17:13 PM »

Okay, well since we're talking 'serious' books here I have to ask if anyone here would be interested in reading Voltaire's Candide?
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« Reply #178 on: September 17, 2006, 05:00:08 PM »

Haven't tried it.  Is it at all fun?
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« Reply #179 on: September 17, 2006, 05:38:00 PM »

Haven't tried it.  Is it at all fun?

It is BIG BIG fun...a philosopher who wanders around with his head in the clouds saying 'this is the best of all possible worlds' while atrocities are being comitted in front of him - a real sendup of 18th century.  I actually laughed out loud while reading it.
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