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« Reply #420 on: November 27, 2011, 05:39:39 PM »

Sunday - 11/27/2011 - 8:00pm on OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network)

OWN Introduces Two New Documentary Specials:
Being Chaz and I Am Jazz: A Family in Transition15 Comments Get a first look and tune in Sunday as OWN introduces two new documentary specials: Being Chaz and I Am Jazz: A Family in Transition.

Being Chaz chronicles Chaz Bono and his girlfriend Jennifer Elia as they navigate their lives together post Chaz's gender transformation surgery and I Am Jazz: A Family in Transition, follows the life of an extraordinary family and their transgendered daughter.

Being Chaz premieres Sunday, November 27 at 8/7c followed by I Am Jazz at 9/8c.

http://www.oprah.com/own/OWN-Introduces-Two-New-Documentary-Specials
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« Reply #421 on: December 13, 2011, 11:52:20 AM »


Led by the child who simply knew

The twin boys were identical in every way but one. Wyatt was a girl to the core, and now lives as one, with the help of a brave, loving family and a path-breaking doctor’s care.

Fascinating and positive article about identical twins from my neck of the woods.

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« Reply #422 on: December 13, 2011, 02:13:36 PM »


That was what you said, a fascinating article.  And a positive one. 

I do have a concern, though, but here's a quote first:

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Jonas and Wyatt Maines were born identical twins, but from the start each had a distinct personality.
Jonas was all boy. He loved Spiderman, action figures, pirates, and swords. Wyatt favored pink tutus
and beads. At 4, he insisted on a Barbie birthday cake and had a thing for mermaids. On Halloween,
Jonas was Buzz Lightyear. Wyatt wanted to be a princess; his mother compromised on a prince costume.

This is the first lines of the article and when I read it, as a gay person, I always cringe when
they write something llike "Jonas was all boy" because he liked Spiderman, action figures, etc.
because I know gay guys who are exactly like that and this seems to imply that the other male
who liked pink tutus and Barbie was either going to be gay (which is mentioned in another area
of the article) or transgender which happens to be the case, when the possibility also could be
that Jonas turned out gay and Wyatt was a straight boy who happened to like more feminine things.

I know gay guys that you could describe as Jonas.  I am a gay guy who happened to like more
feminine things growing up--I liked dolls (fortunately G.I. Joe came out when I was of age and
so I could play with that one)!  To me he "was" out, but hey.  I liked playing with dishes and
cooking and cheerleading and stuff like that.  But I never thought I was a girl.

I know why they write those kinds of things...so readers not used to any of this to see how it
could happen and you don't want to get sidetracked with other issues in an article, but I'd
suggest leaving out, say, the "all boy" part and just say something like "Jonas was interested in
the typical things most boys are" or something like that.

Maybe Justin Bieber could play both roles in a movie!

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« Reply #423 on: December 13, 2011, 02:23:09 PM »

I agree completely with you, Lyle... well, except for the Justin Bieber part  Cheesy
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« Reply #424 on: December 13, 2011, 02:42:24 PM »

Very interesting and touching story.  Seems that Wayne, the father, has changed the most.
I notice he discribes himself as a "former republican". Wink
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« Reply #425 on: December 16, 2011, 01:59:47 PM »

Led by the child who simply knew

The twin boys were identical in every way but one. Wyatt was a girl to the core, and now lives as one, with the help of a brave, loving family and a path-breaking doctor’s care.

Fascinating and positive article about identical twins from my neck of the woods.




Very interesting article, Donna. Thanks for posting it.

What I don't understand is - if they really are identical - how one twin can be transgender and one isn't.

I mean, identical twins come from the same embryo, so at what point in fetal development does transgenderism develop?
And what triggers it, since it happened in only one of them?

In my book, this should be impossible. But obviously it isn't.

Given they really are identical. Sometimes it's hard to establish.

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« Reply #426 on: December 28, 2011, 06:31:42 AM »

Identical twins start off identical, but won't have exactly the same environment even in the womb (and so can be born different weights, etc.).   I've been reading bits and pieces over the last few years which seem to be saying that things that happen to people before they are born have long term effects.     I don't know what "causes" gender dysphoria, but maybe it's one of those things which can be influenced in very early life.   If the twins have different experiences in the womb, then it doesn't seem impossible to me that there might be those sort of differences.   I just don't know enough about it. 

I agree that it's also possible that they were non-identical twins who looked very similar!   I think people expect twins to be identical so tend to see the similarities.

Lyle, I agree.  There's even a quote later on: This is critical, Spack says, because a “very significant number of children who exhibit cross-gender behavior’’ before puberty “do not end up being transgender.’’   Lots of people just don't fit the mould and are who they are.   There seems to be too much of a false separation of boys and girls early in life. 
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« Reply #427 on: December 28, 2011, 07:07:31 AM »

There's more to identical twins than just the resemblance. They share the placenta and the foetal membrane. Fraternal twins don't. But it's more complicated than that, because there can be exceptions, that I don't know enough about to describe. That's why I said it can sometimes be hard to establish.

I don't know what causes transgenderism more than anyone else, but I'm thinking along the lines of influence by the mother's hormones in the womb. And please note, I haven't heard of this anywhere, it's just my own thoughts (not even a theory).

If the identical twins share the placenta and the membrane, it's hard to think of any impact that can hit only one of them and be enough influential to cause such a fundamental transformation as transgenderism.


Lyle, I agree.  There's even a quote later on: This is critical, Spack says, because a “very significant number of children who exhibit cross-gender behavior’’ before puberty “do not end up being transgender.’’   Lots of people just don't fit the mould and are who they are.   There seems to be too much of a false separation of boys and girls early in life. 

I totally agree.
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« Reply #428 on: January 03, 2012, 02:17:51 AM »

an interesting video.... and a nice song.  Smiley


"becoming natalie"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbWcHw7t3FE



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« Reply #429 on: January 03, 2012, 02:19:52 AM »

and here is Weston's most recent video. a month post op.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s6eKiNvtaw

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« Reply #430 on: January 03, 2012, 02:35:42 AM »

I dunno if I mentioned this before but my coworker's very good friend is transitioning and i am glad to know the guy. it will be exciting to see how the testosterone affects his body...

he is 22 years old..... just a baby!  Cheesy
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