News and Current Events - 2012

[huntinbuddy]

Where was he when Bush was in office? Did he question Bush about ALL of his trips, his attack on the middle class, wasting money and lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Finally, how the Bush/Chaney crime family evaded laws and crapped on he Constitution. If so please post them too. I would love to see them as well.   

Bush and Cheney are no longer current events.

[kathy]

Do you have anything to say about Michael's post, including any factual challenges?

Well, I don't think it needed to be quoted twice (the 2nd time by someone who just had to re-post the entire thing), but I honestly believe I do have facts & thoughts to challenge it. 
Still, I think it is better for all of us that I do not post them.
   

[brokebacktom]

Bush and Cheney are no longer current events.

So true but I still would like to see them. Just post one. Been looking after you post this one. AND I couldn't find one.

[kathy]

Where was he when Bush was in office? Did he question Bush about ALL of his trips, his attack on the middle class, wasting money and lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Finally, how the Bush/Chaney crime family evaded laws and crapped on he Constitution. If so please post them too. I would love to see them as well.   

Totally, completely agree.
Where was he during the cheney/bush dictatorship of 8 horrible years, when they and their rotten crowd broke every law of the land? 

[Marge_Innavera]

Well, I don't think it needed to be quoted twice (the 2nd time by someone who just had to re-post the entire thing), but I honestly believe I do have facts & thoughts to challenge it. 

So let's see them.  Frankly, I doubt the facts in particular exist.

[Marge_Innavera]

Viewed a clip from a St. Louis affiliate station yesterday where a journalist actually stood up and asked what needed to be asked rather than pussy-footin around the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr7758u_lc&feature=player_embedded

Unfortunately, I suspect he was looking for a new job today. 

[clutches pearls] Obama takes vacations! 

Oh, the humanity.  If Jesus were President, he'd never take vacations.

[Marge_Innavera]

Remarks on Saint Ann of Wolfeboro, New Hampshire..Park City, Utah..La Jolla California..Belmont Massachusetts.. Multiple Homes:

"Romney is saying she made the 'choice'  to raise her five boys by staying home, as if her boys would have gone unraised if she'd had a job outside of the home. To which I say, screw you. My mom worked. In this country, most moms work. Their kids don't run around like wild animals, naked and barefoot and killing pigeons to survive. Hell, in some families, believe it or not, dads some times pitch in and raise their kids. (That last bit was mega-sarcasm, for the utterly literal.)

"Rosen's point stands. Romney's tweet actually confirms that she has no idea what it's like for most women to be out there, worrying about how to make enough money to take care of themselves and their families. That she had the choice to stay home makes that very clear. And that's even if you don't know about Romney's financial situation. The reality is that she could afford economic dependence, because if she ever got divorced, her alimony payments would be enough to keep a whole neighborhood of single mother-led households afloat.  

"Unfortunately, a bunch of Obama people are falling all over themselves to shore up the narrative that stay-at-home moms are the bestest people that ever worked and they work much harder and longer than everyone else. . . . . Over-the-top poetics about the greatness of stay-at-home mothers do tend to imply that working mothers don't care for their children. In this case, it also obscures the fact that a woman who lives in extreme wealth and has a team of servants to handle the parts of staying at home that really are hard work---you know, like all the endless cleaning---really has no idea what it's like to either be a working mother or what it's like to live as most stay-at-home mothers do. "

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/the-general-election-has-started-and-the-stupid-levels-are-already-off-the


The author suggested in a subsequent post that this is good timing for the GOP in view of the flap over their war on women -- Saint Ann is an un-threatening, complaisant woman they can all get behind.  

[doodler]

Bush and Cheney are no longer current events.

I disagree with that since the problems they caused are still very current.

[huntinbuddy]

So true but I still would like to see them. Just post one. Been looking after you post this one. AND I couldn't find one.

I agree, I have looked also, and can't find them.  I suspect there might have been a few at one time, but they somehow disappeared.

Here is something that is fairly current, and I have been following it.   The mortgage foreclosure crisis.    Remember, back a couple months ago, the AG's of all the states cut a deal with the big banks and I guess the Justice Dept of the government, to offer a settlement package.   Have we heard anymore on it?  I haven't.    All I can see is in summary, the details are still being worked out.

What I find interesting, is there were some specific vids on You Tube that people had posted which showed their robo-signed documents, and were in line with the names that 60 Minutes reported in a story last year, yet mysteriously, those videos have disappeared.   Even the 60 Minutes article keeps getting wiped off of some web sites.

Bottom line....when the big banks have unlimited money (bailout money even!) it buys them a lot of power.

[huntinbuddy]

I disagree with that since the problems they caused are still very current.

Problems that Carter and Reagan and Clinton caused are still current.   Hell, even FDR if you wanna go back that far.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

Bush and Cheney are no longer current events.

But what they did lives on as current events and so IS relevant.

The premise of the post you offered is that Presidents shouldn't go on vacation
while people in this country are suffering is really only ever brought up when one side
or the other wants to stir up animosity.  We all know that Presidents are never really on
vacation no matter where they are.  And since there are so many hungry people in the
United States I guess the Obamas shouldn't eat, either.

People usually post things here that they feel something akin to, so
I am curious as to what your own thoughts are on the matter.  

Since conservatives in Congress don't really care if people have healthcare,
I think they should top using the government funded policies they all have
until they can relate to most of the voters that vote for them.

By the way, of all the questions that reporter could have asked, that is what
he's concerned about or thinks his audience is?  Since so many of the people
in his news viewing area are so concerned about that, maybe the reporter should
save money and skype with the president instead of travelling to D.C. and setting
up interviews in the White House.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

"Rosen's point stands. Romney's tweet actually confirms that she has no idea what it's like for most women to be out there, worrying about how to make enough money to take care of themselves and their families."

This reminds me of that time a woman was talking about her life, saying she had kids to support and was working two jobs and such.
It was some kind of town hall meeting with G.W. Bush and his reply was "Isn't America great?"  As though a struggling Mom with two
jobs was the American ideal!  Look--she's self-reliant!

My mom worked. In this country, most moms work. Their kids don't run around like wild animals, naked and
barefoot and killing pigeons to survive.

They do in Hunger Games!   

[huntinbuddy]

 It is so sad that so many people prefer to close their eyes to the FACTS... like the rate of increase of the national debt....SEE THE FACTS... Then talk

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

But in the end it will be justified the debt is increasing at a faster pace because of Bush's policies.....sheeesh.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

It is so sad that so many people prefer to close their eyes to the FACTS... like the rate of increase of the national debt....SEE THE FACTS... Then talk

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

But in the end it will be justified the debt is increasing at a faster pace because of Bush's policies.....sheeesh.

If you actually want to UNDERSTAND the situation instead of someone who
wrote an article and cherry picked a few facts, read this:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10793658-the-nature-of-debt-comparisons

Here's the first two paragraphs:

CBS News' Mark Knoller published an item this week, arguing that President Obama has added more to the national debt in three years than President George W. Bush did in eight years. The piece proved to be wildly popular with conservatives, which is a shame -- Knoller's piece is misleading and largely inaccurate.

As the CBS reporter sees it, the evaluation is a simple matter of arithmetic. Bush added about $5 trillion to the debt during his tenure, and the debt has gone by a nearly-identical figure under Obama. Ergo, based on the postings from Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department, the observation is sound.  But it's not. Knoller doesn't mention, for example, that the debt increase "on President Obama's watch" includes a $1.3 trillion deficit that was sitting on his desk the day he took office, left there by Bush/Cheney. It also fails to explain to the policies behind deficits.

Let me know what you think.

[oilgun]

I hadn't seen this video from 2008 but it's even more relevant today.  It's 1h13m but well worth watching: The End of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvg4mP0XUc

Naomi Wolf: [Ten key steps to close down an open society: a dictator's blueprint]
1. Invoke an internal and external threat
2. Secret prisons where torture takes place
3. Develop a paramilitary force
4. Surveil ordinary citizens
5. Infiltrate citizens' groups
6. Detain and release ordinary citizens
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Recast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason
10. Subvert the rule of law

Check x 10.  The U.S. and Canada are officially closed (fascist) societies.