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« Reply #630 on: July 26, 2010, 08:48:45 PM »
Wow. Most of that is utter nonsense. Sad.

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« Reply #631 on: July 26, 2010, 08:58:13 PM »
Wow. Most of that is utter nonsense. Sad.

Yes, well I have to say that when I read that I took a step back (in my mind) from 'Guyland.'  It's useful, at least, to have something factual that allows you to challenge someone's theories.  Mr. Kimmel is a Sociologist and as social science isn't hard science it was good to have read your book before that.
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« Reply #632 on: July 26, 2010, 09:30:41 PM »
I was surprised that a trained sociologist would be so unaware of the basics of psychopathy to write a statement like this:

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If Harris was indeed so deranged, then it begs the question of why no one in the entire school ever seems to have noticed.

"Deranged" is an extremely misleading way to characterize a psychopath, particularly in this context: suggesting that they are visibly deranged, obvious to spot. Psychopaths are quite the opposite: highly rational and also master deceivers. Good ones fool nearly everyone, hence the title of Cleckley's original classic, "The Mask of Sanity."

And this is really disturbing to read:
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But the effort to substitute an image of evil or 'simple' psychopathology for an image of aggrieved entitlement of the victims of bullying and relentless torture reveals a psychological myopia that could only come from one who had never experienced it.

Myopic is at least defensible, although in this case, nearly every  expert who has examined the data available has concluded there is just no substantial evidence to support the bullying theory. But the bit about presuming the motives and/or history of people who have come to different conclusions--that they must never have experienced it--what thinking person could make such a claim? How does he know the history of all the people coming to different conclusions? I can disprove his theory right here: I, for one, experienced a great deal of bullying.

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« Reply #633 on: July 26, 2010, 10:21:34 PM »
Myopic is at least defensible, although in this case, nearly every  expert who has examined the data available has concluded there is just no substantial evidence to support the bullying theory.

Kimmel is arguing for a pattern of male behavior - so I'm not surprised that he overreaches here.  He is looking for a way to explain sexual assault, bullying, hazing and alcohol and drug abuse in young men.  He lines up some of the standard straw men that we've seen again and again - as well as making this argument for bullying being behind school violence he also trots out pornography and video games. 
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« Reply #634 on: September 16, 2010, 09:14:36 AM »
I'm not sure where to post this, but there have been some interesting developments in the book world related to my boutique publisher, Twelve. (They do just 12 books a year, and 19 of the first 38 have been NY Times bestsellers, an unprecedented record. This summer, they did Sebastian Junger's "War," and Christopher Hitchen's memoir.)

Early this summer, Simon & Schuster shocked the pub world by firing its longtime publisher to replace him with Twelve's editor/publisher Jon Karp (who was obviously my editor--he picked and edited all the Twelve books).

Jon has already re-orged S&S into teams, with each team having I think two editors, two publicists and someone else, eliminating the head publicity person. This is how Twelve works: with everyone involved in launching the book being very close to it. (The publicist is critical. Everyone on my team had read my book and knew it intimately, got why it mattered, and was able to communicate that.)

I think it's a great move.

That left a big hole at Twelve, as Jon had been the founder and mastermind of it, (though Director of Publicity Cary Goldstein also played a big role.) It took three months to find a replacement, but they made the announcement yesterday afternoon: the surprise choice of Susan Lehman, who has mostly been outside the book world.

Here's the NY Times story:

Boutique Publisher Names New Chief


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/books/16twelve.html?ref=books

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Susan Lehman, a communications executive, editor and lawyer, has been chosen to replace Jonathan Karp as publisher and editor in chief of Twelve, a tiny, well-regarded imprint of Grand Central Publishing. Her appointment was announced Wednesday.

So ends more than three months of speculation in the publishing world over who would win the plum job of running Twelve, which releases only a dozen books or so a year.

Ms. Lehman, 51, is an unorthodox choice. . . .

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« Reply #635 on: September 16, 2010, 09:17:10 AM »
I relaunched my book trailer, this time on youtube, and trying to build a following for it there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA22SKaQ5hU&feature=player_embedded

I'd appreciate anyone posting about it on your blog, Facebook, Twitter, etc., and also clicking on the youtube link and giving it a thumbs-up and a comment. (More activity helps it get picked up in searches of Columbine there. And there is A LOT of Columbine clutter.)

Hopefully, the video is interesting in its own right. It summarizes the case in three minutes.

Thanks.

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« Reply #636 on: October 21, 2010, 08:45:13 PM »
This Saturday morning, Spike TV is rerunning the “Don’t Be a Victim” show on Columbine that featured Dave.

Here is the link to his blog and the details.

http://www.davecullenblog.com/2010/10/im-on-spike-tv-on-columbine-saturday.html
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« Reply #637 on: October 25, 2010, 08:37:09 AM »
Thanks for that link, Linda.

I hope the show was worthwhile for anyone who watched.

A sneak peek of my completely revamped Columbine Instructor Guide is now up.

More coming soon.

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« Reply #638 on: October 25, 2010, 06:47:59 PM »
There is a good new interview with me on writing, reporting and Columbine:

http://thecoachellareview.com/nonfiction/interview_davecullen.html

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« Reply #639 on: November 15, 2010, 05:17:25 PM »
Would just like to let you know....I did eventually manage to get a copy of "Columbine". I read it while on holiday in Alberta. Now it is doing the rounds with my family. Just thought I'd tell you !!
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 Be with me always. Take any form. Drive me mad,
 only do not leave me in the dark alone, where I cannot
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 I cannot live without my life.
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« Reply #640 on: November 16, 2010, 10:13:11 AM »
Isn't it a brilliant book, Sue?
Excellently written and researched.
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« Reply #641 on: November 16, 2010, 02:47:48 PM »
Isn't it a brilliant book, Sue?
Excellently written and researched.

Fascinating. I never realised just over how long a period they were planning this. I just thought it was a spur of the moment shooting. How wrong couldI have been.
"I  know that ghosts have wondered on the earth,
 Be with me always. Take any form. Drive me mad,
 only do not leave me in the dark alone, where I cannot
 find you.
 I cannot live without my life.
 I cannot die without my soul.
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« Reply #642 on: November 16, 2010, 09:40:19 PM »
ah, thanks, sue. and janjo.

i love hearing it making the rounds with your family, too. the more the merrier.

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« Reply #644 on: November 23, 2010, 01:10:24 PM »
FYI, I'm a guest poster today on Slate's excellent XX Factor blog, with Columbine's Lost Lesson.

http://www.doublex.com/blog/xxfactor/columbines-lost-lesson

It's about the bizarre suicide pact between the two Australian twins.

You can also listen or read a transcript to my appearance Saturday on Sydney's morning radio show AM, discussing the same case:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3071910.htm