Fan Fair - Vol. 4

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Yes, career stress  ;D

It's all so silly, isn't it? People making sure that people aren't gay. Because, you know, being gay is not normal.

Or, it's not natural.  :P

Or that being gay is somehow a fucking insult.

Even the most well-meaning straight people will admit to liking gays, but they still feel it isn't normal, or as nature intended. Look how many liberals voted against gay marriage. Look how some people, even on this forum, feel uncomfortable around the gay scene. Admittedly so, even. Hell, even gay people themselves can find the whole thing frightening.

What's troublesome is how people equate being gay with sexuality. Like with kids. If I said I wished that gwen stefani's boys, kingston and zuma, grow up to be gay -- or rather, ARE gay (they are like 3 and 5), some people freak. But if people say they hope they grow up and marry a nice lady like their mommmy and have kids, they say, "aaaaw" and think it is sweet.

If you believe we are born gay, then you must remove the notion that gay is just simply sexual preference, and doing that will free your mind to understand the gay child with more..... understanding. The reason we have these closeted actors is because gay is seen as pervy and sinful and the religions push this down our throats daily. Gay people don't make babies, traditionally, so what use are we to them? With a gay congregation, their numbers would dwindle, and what's the use in that? It means no more money.

Since hollywoood is so riveted by money, it's no wonder everybody is afraid to come clean. So they hide instead, behind lies and fake marriages, hurting not only themselves, but their wives, their children, their families. Sure, the beards are cool with it -- they get paid handsomely. And they benefit as well, because you're getting all of that free publicity.

If hugh grant is gay, it would not surprise me. People that say, "oh, they did that in old hollywood, they don't do it now," are in the dark completely. People do it in all lines of business. It starts with the fake girlfriend in HS, the prom dates to cover for your gayness, then to college, the work place, etc. My friend joe worked for a big corporation and every year he'd bring a beard to the company picnic, the christmas party, even to out of town business meetings. Why? To make an impression.

And making an impression is what it's all about in the entertainment industry. A girlfriend who is cute is only going to put you more in the limelight and make you more appealing. Big break up? Yes! Even better -- end the contract with another publicity blast. How convenient. And don't think for a second that there aren't highly detailed, lengthy contracts drawn up to insure confidentiality. We're talking million dollar contracts, because the stars make that kind of money.

I don't know about H. Grant, but why not? They say C. Grant was definitely a mary. ;)

Wait.... wasn't hugh grant busted in LA a while ago with a prostitute or something? Was it a tranny?

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Is that like, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be duck?

Yeah, but no, but yeah, not really.

But sometimes, yes.

Doogie howser. That kid on TV. Seriously? I said.....FAG! Immediately. The gaydar was going off, definitely. Yes, when he was 12 or 14 or whatever he was. Then I'd see neil patrick harris eating lunch all the time in studio city and knew for sure he was gay. We could watch him, and we could see his eyes follow a hot guy that came in the restaurant. We'd joke about how we should just slide into his booth and say hello, as he often dined alone at koo koo roo. You could just tell he was gay. At least we could. And guess what?

That duck finally quacked. When he did, it made our day. Somebody that wasn't afraid.

 

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Not really, Sue.  But, given the subject of who's who and what's what, somebody will remember something.

  Meanwhile, James Franco's brother, David, just got signed for a major movie, and that, after having done some really whacked out gay humor video somebody around here posted.  It's beginning to look like you gotta pay your "gay" dues, before you get along in your career.  I wish I knew where that video was;  Sue, you'd howl.  I think it might have been Gnash (Jimmy) that posted it.

I posted it in jake's eyelashes or let's get serious about jake's eyelashes. Of course he got signed, he's effing amazing. He's so hot I wanna get on my hands and knees and turn on lamps where the sun don't shine and play video games on his prostate with my ding a ling.

Just google "you're so hot, dave franco, youtube" and the video should be linked. Ingy thought it was wwweeeeeiiiiiiiirrrrddd, so be warned. It's not for people that don't like college humor or graphic depictions of sexual acts, even if they're mostly verbal.

I don't know if it was the video that got him noticed, really.
He's also just young and cute. Being little bro to j. Franco don't hurt none, either.

Speaking of......... why the hell did naomi foner stop at two kids?

Just think if jake had two or three little brothers. The gyllenhaal brothers!

That would be so trippy. Imagine the threads there would be on those guys.

Plus, out of three or four, you know one of them's bound to be...  ...blond!

                       

[Lyle (Mooska)]

I don't think I've read anything in DCF where a member swears he's been seen (or caught)
being intimate with a Man. Have they? I guess Gnash or Lyle might know something about that
subject, no?

And you're not likely to hear anything about that on DCF unless Jake posts it himself,
and even then...

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...  Something tells me he doesn't care WHAT is printed or said about this issue, and it DOES get him some press..........I don't think I've read anything in DCF where a member swears he's been seen (or caught) being intimate with a Man. Have they? I guess Gnash or Lyle might know something about that subject, no?

Ted C. would know, LOL.

No, not me. I haven't seen him being intimate with a woman, either. At least not personally!


Have you guys heard of top model sean o'pry? I heard he wants to pursue acting. He's so hot. I hope it works, I know a few actors got their start in modeling. I heard sean connery used to model nearly nude when he was a teen..

Channing tatum and sasha mitchell also come to mind.

[andy]

There's an episode of Will and Grace where Karen made a porn movie in her youth and it comes back to bite her. I wonder how many Hollywood hopefuls have such skeletons in their cupboard, if not porn, then something racy or damning. Could such a thing be effectively kept under wraps in this day and age of easy communications? I suspect not.

[CellarDweller115]

I don't believe something like that could be hidden.  Even "reality celebs" can get skeletons found out.

I can't recall which woman it was, but one of the contestants on "The Bachelor" was found to have starred in a "kink" video a few years prior.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

There's an episode of Will and Grace where Karen made a porn movie in her youth and it comes back to bite her. I wonder how many Hollywood hopefuls have such skeletons in their cupboard, if not porn, then something racy or damning. Could such a thing be effectively kept under wraps in this day and age of easy communications?

If the public is unwilling to believe something it can effectively be kept under wraps.
Even though there were many pictures of Ricky Martin and his boyfriends together, not
many would actually believe it until he posted it on his website himself.

Sean Hayes wouldn't even admit he was gay and he was doing gay movies like
Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss and playing Jack on Will & Grace -- two venues that
would have made it so easy to come out publicly.  And yet he did not.

You have to pick up the couch and throw it at some people.
(That's a paraphrased thought from a movie I like.)

And, it doesn't seem to hurt most celebs that have done something like that.
Rob Lowe, Paris Hilton and others have made porn videos and their status after
that was not hurt.  I don't know if it's true, but it was said the actor Chuck Connors
was known for having done one.  So I don't think it matters much to todays audiences.
As much as Brett Favre got lambasted in the humor mills for texting his penis to some
ladies, and he might be embarrassed, I don't think in the long run that people are going
to hold it against him.  They chalk it up to bad judgment and not a real flaw.

The actor, Simon Rex, who was a DJ on MTV and then in three television series (Jack & Jill,
Felicity and What I Like About You) did j/o scenes in a gay porno in 1993, two years before his
career started. 

His biography read:

In 1995, MTV hired Rex to work as a VJ and kept him on the air for over two years until MTV did an update
to its VJ line-up, and after his adult video work became more widely known his notability and popularity increased.

It wasn't harmful to Mr. Cutright.  (His original birth name was Cutright, oddly enough, a name that might have
suited his adult film work!)

[Lyle (Mooska)]

I was reading last week's TV Guide and there's an interview with Barbara Eden in it
who played Jeannie on I Dream of Jeannie.  She has a book coming out and she talks
about one of the series regulars, Hayden Rourke, who played Dr. Bellows, and that he
was gay and that she visited him and his partner for dinner at their home on occasion.
Another person I used to watch on television every week that was gay and I didn't know
abiout.  All these role models I coulda had if it was public!

The TV Guide posed some of this info in its column as "What actor led a secret gay life
on I Dream of Jeannie."  And it led me wonder.  From the books I've read and the things
I've learned about previous time periods and being gay, if it was expected of you because
of societal standards of the times, is it really a secret gay life?"  I mean, if you are gay you
have friends and you live in your world, and don't often think about it being "closeted"
just becasue the rest of the world doesn't know about it, as much as someone might not
know you've been divorced or had an abortion or any number of things.  I guess I just
wouldn't put it in those terms but it sounds gossipy or more scandalous if you do, I guess.

I know that I probably would have had a better view of my own self-worth and humanity,
though, while watching TV all through the 60's if I had known Hayden Rourke, Paul Lynde,
Liberace, Charles Nelson Reilly, Richard Chamberlain, Richard Deacon, Roger C. Carmel,
Tab Hunter, Judy Carne, Gene Rayburn, Dack Rambo, Dick Sargent and  a host of others
were gay. 

[CellarDweller115]

The TV Guide posed some of this info in its column as "What actor led a secret gay life on I Dream of Jeannie."  And it led me wonder.  From the books I've read and the things I've learned about previous time periods and being gay, if it was expected of you because of societal standards of the times, is it really a secret gay life?"  I mean, if you are gay you have friends and you live in your world, and don't often think about it being "closeted" just becasue the rest of the world doesn't know about it, as much as someone might not know you've been divorced or had an abortion or any number of things.  I guess I just wouldn't put it in those terms but it sounds gossipy or more scandalous if you do, I guess.

I didn't know he was gay either.  There were a lot of people " back in the day" who were gay and we didn't know it.  I remember reading about Robert Reed from "The Brady Bunch"....I would never have guessed Mike Brady was gay.

I also read with great interest the story about Billy Haines and the "lavender wedding" the studio tried to get him into.

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i loved dr. bellows!  he was gay? no way. i don't believe it for a minute. barbara eden probably just made that up to make her book more interesting.

i remember telling my mom, in HS, that richard chamberlain was gay. i'd read it in AfterDark magazine, probably. i used to get it at the odgen street (gay) bookstore off colfax street. this is when my little fifteen year old teenage ass used to ride or skateboard around cheeseman park in denver, hoping to soak up some good gay vibes (or something).

anyway, i told my mom that richard smoked cock she was shocked. she loved him in that samurai tv show he did. miniseries, i think. SHOGUN, that's it. i was like... "yeah, he's gay, mom. just like me." her eyes got a little wider, and she said, ree ree? noooo!

she adored him. i waited until the miniseries was about halfway over to tell her... after that, during commercial breaks, she would look at me and whisper.. "are you sure he's a gay?" (she's japanese.)

oh, she knew rock hudson was gay, she admitted knowing about his ass. but i don't know if she ever knew robert reed was gay.

hmm, i don't know who billy haines is, chuck. i'll have to gayoogle him:

Charles William "Billy" Haines (January 2, 1900 – December 26, 1973) was an American film actor and interior designer. A star of the silent era, Haines' career was cut short in the Thirties as a result of his refusal to deny his homosexuality.

ahh! they banned his ass from hollywood. poor thing. imagine, being gay, not saying ANYTHING silent films, and yet they still shuttle your ass off to timbuckfuckingtu because you say what you want to say creatively. how typical.

GENE RAYBURN was gay? now THAT i can believe.

was kitty carlisle a lesbian, or just a fag hag or something?

those old game shows were so fun and interesting, weren't they?

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I also read with great interest the story about Billy Haines and the "lavender wedding" the studio tried to get him into.

LAVENDER MARRIAGE <--- link

In 1933, Haines was arrested in a YMCA with a sailor he had picked up in Los Angeles' Pershing Square. Louis B. Mayer, the studio head at MGM, delivered an ultimatum to Haines: choose between a sham marriage (also known as a "lavender marriage") or his relationship with Shields. Haines chose Shields and they remained together for almost 50 years. Mayer subsequently fired Haines and terminated his contract, quickly recasting Robert Montgomery in roles that had been planned for Haines. Haines did make a few minor films at Poverty Row studios, then retired from films. His final films were made with Mascot Pictures, Young and Beautiful and The Marines Are Coming in 1934. He was blackballed in Hollywood, having had his name placed in the Doom Book.

oh, i wonder what they call them now. lavender wedding is kind of novel... well, shit... i would love to see jake gyllenhaal play billie haines in a biopic about that guy's life! but that would not bode well for his career. :/ and they'd have to get somebody younger to play him at first as well, because, well, it starts off at 14 or so, and jake couldn't pull off a fourteen year old no matter how much makeup he wore.

Haines ran away from home at the age of 14, accompanied by another unidentified young man whom Haines referred to as his "boyfriend".[6] The pair went first to Richmond and then to Hopewell, which had a reputation for immorality.[7] Haines and his boyfriend got jobs working at the local DuPont factory, producing nitrocellulose for $50 a week.[8] To supplement their income, the couple opened a dance hall, which may have also served as a brothel.[9] His parents, frantic over his disappearance, tracked him through the police to Hopewell. Haines did not return home with them, remaining instead in Hopewell and sending money back home to help support the family. The couple remained in Hopewell until most of the town was destroyed by fire in 1915. Haines moved to New York City. It is unclear whether his boyfriend accompanied him.[10] Following the bankruptcy of the family business and the mental breakdown of George, Sr., the family moved to Richmond in 1916. Haines returned home in 1917 to help support them.[4] With his father recovered and employed, Haines returned to New York City in 1919, settling into the burgeoning gay community of Greenwich Village.[11] He worked a variety of jobs and was for a time the kept man of an older woman[12] before becoming a model. Talent scout Bijou Fernandez discovered Haines as part of the Samuel Goldwyn Company's "New Faces of 1922" contest and the studio signed him to a $40 a week contract. He traveled to Hollywood with fellow contest winner Eleanor Boardman in March of that year.

jake as a kept man, kept by an older woman! who could play her? sigourney weaver? yeah! imagine the camera fading away from the child actor and then refocusing on jake's face, when he arrives in hollywood with eleanor.. who could be played by.... well, look at her...  maggie gyllenhaal could probably play her quite well.

the more i think about it, jake really couldn't do billy at all. well, he could, but it would make billy look better than he was in real life, probably.


lyle, we'll have to look for billy haines' star on the hollywood walk of fame sometime soon.



ETA:  from wiki: "Fictional examples [of Lavender Marriage] include the plot of the 1993 film The Wedding Banquet, which centers around a lavender marriage between two Chinese Americans."

....fictional examples of lavender marriage also include the plot of the 2005 film Brokeback Mountain, which centers around the lavender marriages of two former sheepherders.

i'd say ang lee got it right the second time around!

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however, i can definitely see jake doing this guy...  similar eyes?

shape the brows a bit... the venice scenes would be a blast!

please say yes if the script falls in your lap, dear boy!

[CellarDweller115]

Jimmy, to give you (and others) some info on Billy Haines, here is an excerpt from a book.  I can't find the information online, so I can't link to it, so I'll give the specifics here.

This is taken from "The New Gay Book of Lists", written by Leigh W. Rutledge and published by Alyson Books in 1996.

The chapter it's taken from is called "10 Remarkable Gay Love Relationships, How the Parnters Met, and How Each Relationship Ended"

1.  William Haines and Jimmy Shields

How long they lasted:  47 years

How they met:   Haines was the popular, handsome star of numerous MGM comedies in the 1920s and '30s.  Shields was his equally handsome stand-in on the MGM lot.  the two became lovers when they were in their mid twenties.

The relationship at a glance:    Haines and Shields were inseperable, recognized by many as just another Hollywood couple - so recognizable that Louis B. Mayer, then head of MGM, finally called Haines into his office and delivered an ultimatum:  "I'm going to give you a choice.  You're either to give up that boyfriend of yours, or I'll cancel your contract."  Haines choose Jimmy.  The two eventually opened a very successful interior decorating service that catered to such famous clients like Joan Crawford, Carole Lombard, George Cukor, and Walter Annenberg.  Unfortuately, in 1936, they made national headlines for an entirely different reason whne they were brutally beaten by outraged representatives of the notorious White Legion, California's answer to the Ku Klux Klan, which assualted and several of their gay friends asl they were leaving a gay party in conservative Orange County.

How it ended:  Haines and Shields weathered the attack and its attendant publicity, and the relaitionship ended only iwth Haines' death from cancer in 1973.  Shields commited suicide the following year.  He was found in Haines' pyjamas, with a suicide note that read:  "It's no good without Billy."

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thanks,,, i just read that...  i've been gewgling him for some time... how bittersweet that shields was wearing an old pair of haines' pajamas when he took the pills... i can almost imagine ennis doing that. oh wait... it did happen that way, in a fanfic! except he died of old age, and it wasn't pajamas, but the shirts.

the story of his life up until his death, and even before hollywood, would make for a decent movie project! who could play billy haines as a young man, though? he looks a little like the cowboy ing posted:  Patrick Wilson, maybe?

or maybe i just like a cowboy these days...