Election 2008--CLOSED

[CellarDweller115]

i am much more in support of jointheimpact's 20th of december candlelight vigil wearing t-shirts  saying 2nd class citizen, or friend is, or parent is, or teacher is etc.

I'll be taking part in the protest in Montclair, NJ.  It's about 10 minuts from my house.

[michaelflanagansf]

OMG, they just arrested the Illinois Governor on corruption and one of the aspects of the case is that the FBI thought that the Governor was going to sell the Senate seat!

When I was back in Illinois in October one of my friends (a tried and true Democrat) was telling me what a big jerk the Governor was...whoa!  He makes Elliot Spitzer look absolutely genteel!

[dejavu]

Wow!  Hadn't heard the news from Illinois yet.

Time to turn on the TV!

[CellarDweller115]

OMG, they just arrested the Illinois Governor on corruption and one of the aspects of the case is that the FBI thought that the Governor was going to sell the Senate seat!

When I was back in Illinois in October one of my friends (a tried and true Democrat) was telling me what a big jerk the Governor was...whoa!  He makes Elliot Spitzer look absolutely genteel!

There's a link here.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6424985&page=1


and another



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6424146

[brokebacktom]

OMG, they just arrested the Illinois Governor on corruption and one of the aspects of the case is that the FBI thought that the Governor was going to sell the Senate seat!

When I was back in Illinois in October one of my friends (a tried and true Democrat) was telling me what a big jerk the Governor was...whoa!  He makes Elliot Spitzer look absolutely genteel!

The right will try to connect this to Obama, just watch.

[michaelflanagansf]

The right will try to connect this to Obama, just watch.

Well good luck with that...it would be kind of hard to say that he was involved in selling his senate seat before he won the election.

What I want to know is what is it with Governors?  Jim McGreevey, Eliot Spitzer and now Rod Blagojevich.  Whoa! 

[Rosewood]

Des:
Yes, hopefully Gregory will grow into the job.
I wouldn't want to lose MEET THE PRESS, dinosaur or not.
But there's just something about him....
You know how in the workplace there's always someone
you just never can bring yourself to trust and you don't
know exactly why? He gives me that vibe.

Anyway, on to more important things.
Did any of you see the last episode of BOSTON LEGAL last night?
The James Spader character and William Shatner's got married.
It was VERY well done, I thought.
Made me kind of misty.

They are such wonderful actors and brought so much intensity
and feeling to these two particular characters. Both of whom, really,
should have been extremely unlikeable.

Wish they hadn't cancelled this show.
It's the only drama that had the guts to show their liberal slant
with extreme gusto.

So the governor of Illinois was arrested for the usual
crapola. I mean, when will these sorts of people learn?
Never, obviously.
The media is in a frenzy.
Tell you why: they think somewhere, somehow this will loop in
Obama.

Makes me want to hurl.

[BayCityJohn]

President-elect Barack Obama says he is saddened by allegations that Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich tried to trade favors for Obama's Senate seat — and says he had no contact with the governor or his office on the matter.

case closed

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/09/national/a121640S04.DTL&tsp=1

[Ellen (tellyouwhat)]

Yeah, but like Michael and Rosewood, I am aghast that he would even consider anything like that for SO many reasons -- not the least of which is that it would sully the process of Obama's transition.

You would think on the top of his list of good reasons NOT to create scandal, would be his own survival in politics.

Didn't he see what just happened in Alaska?

And Eliot Spitzer, I am still in distress over the loss of Eliot Spitzer due to his own self-destruction.

[michaelflanagansf]

This is interesting too....

Berkeley city council urges U.S. to prosecute former Bush official
Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 9, 2008

(12-09) 11:19 PST Berkeley -- After an emotional, fiery debate over academic freedom and torture, Berkeley's city council passed a measure late Monday night imploring the U.S. to prosecute Berkeley resident and former White House official John Yoo for war crimes.

Yoo, a tenured professor at UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law, wrote the legal memos justifying torture while interrogating terrorism suspects while he served as Deputy Assistant Attorney general for the Bush administration in 2001-03.

"John Yoo took a material involvement in the deaths and torture of untold numbers of people," said city councilman Max Anderson, choking back tears during the council's debate. "The broken bodies, the broken spirits, the broken trust he wrought with his actions - that's why they call these crimes against humanity."

continues:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/09/BA0I14K7P3.DTL&tsp=1

[Ellen (tellyouwhat)]

Can Bush pardon people before they are indicted or accused?

Maybe that is why some of these accusations are being delayed?

[BayCityJohn]

Can Bush pardon people before they are indicted or accused?

Maybe that is why some of these accusations are being delayed?

I don't think so.

A person would have to be tried and convicted first.

[dejavu]

case closed

I hope it's case closed, but you never know what someone will try to make of it.

I share Tom's fear about that.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

I could understand if we were all calling out "gay" to go somewhere or do something to further the cause, but to call out for the sake of just calling out, it doesn't make much sense to me.

Actually, the protest calls for those people calling in to spend the day volunteering for community service.

My friend Rich is in New York tomorrow seeing a couple shows.
I hope they don't all call in on Broadway or his shows will be cancelled!
LOL...

[BayCityJohn]

PardonPower's list of governors in trouble:

John Quitman, MS (1851) - indicted, resigned
Zebulon Vance, SC (1865) - arrested as Confederate
David Butler, NE (1871) - impeached, removed, then impeachment was expunged
William H. Holden, NC (1871) - impeached, removed
Rufus Brown Bullock, GA (1871) - resigned, acquitted
Adelbert Ames, MS (1876) - impeached, resigned
William Sulzer, NY (1913) - impeached, removed
James E. Ferguson, TX (1917) - indicted, resigned right before impeachment
John C. Walton, OK (1923) - impeached, removed
Warren T. McCray, IN (1924) - convicted, resigned, then pardoned
Henry S. Johnston, OK (1929) - impeached, removed
Henry Horton, TN (1931) - impeached, then acquitted
William Langer, ND (1934) - convicted, vacated office, then acquitted
Richard Leche, LA (1939) - resigned, convicted, pardoned
Marvin Mandel, MD (1977) - resigned, commutation of sentence
Ray Blanton, TN (1981) - vacated office, acquitted, then convicted after term
Evan Mecham, AZ (1988) - impeached, removed, then acquitted
Guy Hunt, AL (1993) - convicted, then removed
David Walters, OK (1994) - indicted, plead guilty to misdemeanor
Jim Guy Tucker, AR (1996) - convicted, then resigned
J. Fife Symington, AZ (1997) - convicted, resigned, won an appeal, then pardoned
Edwin W. Edwards, LA (1998) - convicted after term, pardon application in
Edward DiPrete, RI (1998) - convicted after term
John G. Rowland, CN (2004) - resigned, then convicted
James McGreevey, NJ (2004) - resigned
Bob Taft, OH (2006) - convicted of four misdemeanors
George Ryan, IL (2006) - convicted after term, pardon application in
Ernie Fletcher, KY (2006) - indicted, charges dropped
Don Siegelman, AL (2006) - indicted, charges dropped, convicted after term
Eliot Spitzer, NY (2008) - resigned, no charges filed
Rod Blagojevich, IL (2008) - charges just filed

http://presidentialpardon.net/