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« Reply #165 on: May 15, 2008, 10:09:12 AM »

HI Sason - the Thresher was a submarine which sank in 1963.  In the book, Ennis and Jack talk about the Thresher going down and what it must have been like in the last minutes - it's part of a conversation before the first night in the tent, when they're getting to know each other.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/k19/disasters_detail2.html

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« Reply #166 on: May 15, 2008, 10:38:04 AM »

Thanks a lot, Desecra, for that info!!

I had no idea.....
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« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2008, 02:14:36 PM »

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« Reply #168 on: May 18, 2008, 01:27:58 AM »

One of the more unusual usages I've found - "Brokeback Syndrome" ??

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/05/16/amd_response_intel

AMD's charges against Intel center on what we're calling Brokeback Syndrome.
Intel's lucrative pricing, co-marketing and financial incentives, we're told,
made it near impossible for customers to quit the chip vendor.
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« Reply #169 on: May 18, 2008, 08:52:04 AM »

Interesting, but I have no idea what it means.......
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« Reply #170 on: May 18, 2008, 01:26:31 PM »

One of the more unusual usages I've found - "Brokeback Syndrome" ??

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/05/16/amd_response_intel

AMD's charges against Intel center on what we're calling Brokeback Syndrome.
Intel's lucrative pricing, co-marketing and financial incentives, we're told,
made it near impossible for customers to quit the chip vendor.


hahahaha!!!
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« Reply #171 on: May 18, 2008, 05:07:50 PM »

Interesting, but I have no idea what it means.......


They wish they knew how to quit!

That is cute.  It's especially notable because it is a really mainstream usage, not referring only to gays.
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« Reply #172 on: May 18, 2008, 08:26:59 PM »

Apparently, "Brokeback Mountain" received a government-sanctioned airing on Cuban TV as a part of the national "Combat Homophobia Day" in that country.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_9296544

Cuba holds gay-rights rally, shows `Brokeback Mountain'
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Article Last Updated: 05/17/2008 09:34:43 PM PDT


HAVANA - Cuba's gay community celebrated unprecedented openness - and high-ranking political alliances - with a government-backed campaign against homophobia on Saturday.

The meeting at a convention center in Havana's Vedado district may have been the largest gathering of openly gay activists ever on the communist-run island. President Raul Castro's daughter Mariela, who has promoted the rights of sexual minorities, presided.

Mariela Castro joined government leaders and hundreds of activists at the one-day conference for the International Day Against Homophobia that featured shows, lectures, panel discussions and book presentations. A station also offered blood tests for sexually transmitted diseases. Cuban state TV gave prime-time play Friday to the U.S. film "Brokeback Mountain," which tells the story of two cowboys who conceal their homosexual affair.


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« Reply #173 on: May 18, 2008, 09:10:14 PM »

HI Sason - the Thresher was a submarine which sank in 1963.  In the book, Ennis and Jack talk about the Thresher going down and what it must have been like in the last minutes - it's part of a conversation before the first night in the tent, when they're getting to know each other.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/k19/disasters_detail2.html

Thank you. I never would have remembered that line.

So I went back and read the story again today, and I noticed something else. I don't know if it's been discussed before.

It's from this paragraph:

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The summer went on and they moved the herd to new pasture, shifted the camp; the distance between the sheep and the new camp was greater and the night ride longer. Ennis rode easy, sleeping with his eyes open, but the hours he was away from the sheep stretched out and out. Jack pulled a squalling burr out of the harmonica, flattened a little from a fall off the skittish bay mare, and Ennis had a good raspy voice; a few nights they mangled their way through some songs. Ennis knew the salty words to “Strawberry Roan.” Jack tried a Carl Perkins song, bawling “What I say-ay-ay,” but he favored a sad hymn, “Water-Walking Jesus,” learned from his mother, who believed in the Pentecost, and that he sang at dirge slowness, setting off distant coyote yips.

I looked up the lyrics for 'Strawberry Roan"

I was hangin' 'round town, just spendin' my time
Out of a job, not earnin' a dime
A feller steps up and he said, "I suppose
You're a bronc fighter from looks of your clothes."
"You figures me right, I'm a good one." I claim
"Do you happen to have any bad ones to tame?"
Said "He's got one, a bad one to buck
At throwin' good riders, he's had lots of luck."


I gets all het up and I ask what he pays
To ride this old nag for a couple of days
He offered me ten; I said, "I'm your man,
A bronc never lived that I couldn't span."
He said: "Get your saddle, I'll give you a chance"
In his buckboard we hopped and he drives to the ranch
I stayed 'til mornin' and right after chuck
I stepped out to see if this outlaw can buck.

Down in the horse corral standin' alone
Is an old Caballo, a Strawberry Roan
His legs are all spavined, he's got pigeon toes
Little pig eyes and a big Roman nose
Little pin ears that touched at the tip
A big 44 brand was on his left hip
U-necked and old, with a long, lower jaw
I could see with one eye, he's a regular outlaw.


I gets the blinds on 'im and it sure is a fright
Next comes the saddle and I screws it down tight
Then I steps on 'im and I raises the blinds
Get outta the way boys, he's gonna unwind
He sure is a frog-walker, he heaves a big sigh
He only lacks wings, for to be on the fly
He turns his old belly right up to the sun
He sure is a sun-fishin', son-of-a-gun.

He's about the worst bucker I've seen on the range
He'll turn on a Nickel and give you some change
He hits on all fours and goes up on high
Leaves me a spinnin' up there in the sky
I turns over twice and I comes back to earth
I lights in a cussin' the day of his birth
I know there are ponies that I cannot ride
There's some of them left, they haven't all died.



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Probably just my imagination, but it seems like the screenwriters must have read the lyrics too.


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« Reply #174 on: May 19, 2008, 05:06:26 AM »

The salty lyrics are decidedly saltier, John. From memory they have something to do with castration and goodness knows what else. It's a long while since I read them.
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« Reply #175 on: May 19, 2008, 08:19:04 AM »

Interesting, but I have no idea what it means.......


They wish they knew how to quit!

That is cute.  It's especially notable because it is a really mainstream usage, not referring only to gays.


OK, thanks. It makes sense now.....  I'm not so good at this financial-technological English....   Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #176 on: May 19, 2008, 08:21:50 AM »

The salty lyrics are decidedly saltier, John. From memory they have something to do with castration and goodness knows what else. It's a long while since I read them.

I've found this version, don't know if it's salty enough for our Marian  Smiley

VERSE 1
I was hang'n 'round town
In a house of ill fame
Layed up with a twist
Of a hustl'n dame
And a hop-headed pig
With his nose full of coke
Beat me out'a my whore
An' left me stone-broke
When up steps a stranger
Said he say, my lad
Are you any good ride'n
Horses that's bad
I said, you damn right
That's one thing I can do
I'm a second rate pimp
But a good buckeroo

VERSE 2
O, that strawberry roan
How many colts has he thrown
He's got gonareeha, th glonders an' syph
Th blue-balls n' claps
But his tool is still stiff
Look out for that strawberry roan

VERSE 3
When a good look'n filly
Would come inta heat
Was th strawberry roan
That throwed her th meat
Th upshot of it was
I found myself hired
T' snap out some bronc's
This roan stud had sired
Their knot-head cayuse's
Just like their Dad
Most of them roans
An' all of thems bad
With their feet in my pockets
Them bastards would fight
Till my ass drug my tracks
Along before night

VERSE 4
With my balls in my boots
N' my mouth full of shit
I'se plumb tuckered out
N' ready to quit
Whenever I thought
I h'd one of them r'de
He busted my ass
An' I found myself throwed
Then th boss come around
He said, that's enough
Th strawberry roan's
Colts are to tough
I'm a get'n damn sick
Of you take'n them falls
We'll get that windmill'n stud
N' we'll cut out his balls

VERSE 5
O, that strawberry roan
We went out to unbend his bone
I built a big loop
N' went to th corral
I roped his front feet
He jumped, he kicked
He snorted, he firted n' fell
I flattened that strawberry roan

VERSE 6
Well, th boss held his head
While I hog-tied his legs
I got out my knife
N' I went for his eggs
He knowed what I wanted
He knowed it damn well
Cause he fought like a tiger
An' he squealed like hell
Well, I opened his bag
N' he let out a moan
He squealed like a shoate
When I cut out that stone
But all I could locate
T'was one of his nuts
The other was swimin'
Some place in his guts
Well, I'm swim'n in blood
N I felt someth'n pass
But its only a tird
On th way to his ass

VERSE 7
Well, th boss said, I'm sick
Of this hard buck'n breed
If it takes us all night
We'll get that other seed
Just then I heard one of them
Blood curdlein' squalls
An' the strawberry roan
Had th boss by th balls
Well, I stomped on his head
But it was no use
He's just like a bulldog
He would'nt turn loose
I untied his legs
N' he got t' his feet
The bosses voice changed
An' I knew he was beat

VERSE 8
O, that strawberry roan
I advise you to leave him alone
He's a knot-headed cayuse
With only one ball
But th boss is a un-nicke
With no balls at all
Look out fer that strawberry roan


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« Reply #177 on: May 21, 2008, 02:22:44 AM »

That sounds like the one I read!   I like the echo in the film of Ennis castrating calves. I feel there's a vague connection with the fathers symbolically castrating their two sons via the bathroom scene and the Earl scene.
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« Reply #178 on: May 30, 2008, 02:42:04 AM »

(might have already been posted)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360402,00.html#1

The word from the inner workings at Warner Bros.
Heath Ledger’s family will journey from Australia to New York
this summer for the premiere of “The Dark Knight.”
The film opens on July 18th.
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« Reply #179 on: May 30, 2008, 08:04:49 AM »

I can tell by the effect the commercials have on me that I am not going to be able to watch The Dark Knight, at least for some time but a thought occured to me...
why is Heath's part considered a supporting  role rather than a starring  one? The film is not titled Batman Against the Dark Knight or even Batman AND the Dark Knight.  Seems to me that the title character would be a starring role and therefore, eligible for a Best Actor award. Anybody have any insight on this?
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