Media coverage: how are we seen?

[michaelflanagansf]

I would prefere a Gay-Friendly Moron !     

Amen.

[Flyboy]

Wouldn't we all? haha............I debated posting here, but, what the heck, I think this is OT..........one of those Spice Girls, Beckham? The soccer wife? She stated in some publication that she was "so camp, there was a Gay Man inside her trying to get out", or some such comment, huh? I'm still trying to decide just what she meant? All Gay Men are Camp? Hello......? Not this one.......

[michaelflanagansf]

Wouldn't we all? haha............I debated posting here, but, what the heck, I think this is OT..........one of those Spice Girls, Beckham? The soccer wife? She stated in some publication that she was "so camp, there was a Gay Man inside her trying to get out", or some such comment, huh? I'm still trying to decide just what she meant? All Gay Men are Camp? Hello......? Not this one.......

I would guess that yes, this is OT.  Besides which, I don't think it's a good idea to take as serious anything coming from someone who hangs out with people who adopt nicknames like 'baby' and 'scary' - they aren't exactly gender philosophers.

[Flyboy]

Thanks for the laugh Michael, well you know what they say, anything to make a Sale! I know there are some Spice Girl fans in here, but I can't say I've heard any of their material, or if I did? Must not have impressed me...........

[michaelflanagansf]

Thanks for the laugh Michael, well you know what they say, anything to make a Sale! I know there are some Spice Girl fans in here, but I can't say I've heard any of their material, or if I did? Must not have impressed me...........

Yes, well I think you have to buy the visual act in order to take on the audio act - and I'm more likely to do that with someone like Westlife or (shudder) the Backstreet Boys (if you catch my drift).  Regardless, here is the 'What Are You Listening To Now' thread where you can discuss all things musical:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=234.0

[Flyboy]

Haha, Michael, you know me too well already, it's my 'downfall' in this Forum, constantly going Off-topic! I'm making progress though, I don't think I've been Modded in over six weeks now, a record!

[milomorris]

I would prefere a Gay-Friendly Moron !     

I would prefer a candidate who will legislate in our favor.

If y'all remember back to the last election, John Kerry said in a TV interview that while he thought homosexuality was wrong, he thought that we deserved the same rights as everyone else. Now that is a man who could put his personal beliefs aside, and do what is right for the country.

We have a mayor here in Philadelphia who recently performed a gay commitment ceremony at city hall, but has a history of anti-gay legislation. His gay friendliness is of little use. The incoming mayor has gays on his staff, and gay community liasons, but has gone on the record saying that he would not support gay marriage. His gay friendliness is also of little use.

Milo

[Jeff Wrangler]

I would prefer a candidate who will legislate in our favor.

If y'all remember back to the last election, John Kerry said in a TV interview that while he thought homosexuality was wrong, he thought that we deserved the same rights as everyone else. Now that is a man who could put his personal beliefs aside, and do what is right for the country.

We have a mayor here in Philadelphia who recently performed a gay commitment ceremony at city hall, but has a history of anti-gay legislation. His gay friendliness is of little use. The incoming mayor has gays on his staff, and gay community liasons, but has gone on the record saying that he would not support gay marriage. His gay friendliness is also of little use.

Milo

Politics is what it is. Nobody can do anybody any good if they can't get elected. I can't imagine anybody get elected to anything anywhere in these days in these United States who comes out and says he or she is for gay marriage.  Except maybe in WEHO. ...

But then my position on this whole issue is ... a bit far out. So far out I'll never live to see it because marriage is too deeply engrained  in our culture. I think government should get out of the marriage business altogether, and the power and authority to conclude legally binding unions should be taken away from all clergy of any faith. The legally binding thing should take place in a government office.

In short and in other words, my position is that all legally binding unions should be civil, and marriage should become a non-legally binding arrangement left to religion.

[milomorris]

In short and in other words, my position is that all legally binding unions should be civil, and marriage should become a non-legally binding arrangement left to religion.

Exactly. And in truth, that distinction almost exists today. A man and a woman are not married just because they have a ceremony with a member of the clergy. However, they can go to their local City Hall, file the paperwork, and get married by a Justice of the Peace (as well as other select officials) without ever setting foot in a house of worship or getting anyone's god involved.

Milo

[Roco]

I would prefer a candidate who will legislate in our favor.

If y'all remember back to the last election, John Kerry said in a TV interview that while he thought homosexuality was wrong, he thought that we deserved the same rights as everyone else. Now that is a man who could put his personal beliefs aside, and do what is right for the country.

We have a mayor here in Philadelphia who recently performed a gay commitment ceremony at city hall, but has a history of anti-gay legislation. His gay friendliness is of little use. The incoming mayor has gays on his staff, and gay community liasons, but has gone on the record saying that he would not support gay marriage. His gay friendliness is also of little use.

Milo

Semantics. You either support gay rights or you don't. If you don't, you not gay-friendly. IMO

[milomorris]

Semantics. You either support gay rights or you don't. If you don't, you not gay-friendly. IMO

What does "support" mean?? Its easy for a politician to offer support by talking the talk. Likewise its easy for the media to criticize politicians for saying things that sound un-supportive of gays. But what really matters is how s/he will vote when a bill is on the table.

Milo

[Jeff Wrangler]

In short and in other words, my position is that all legally binding unions should be civil, and marriage should become a non-legally binding arrangement left to religion.

Exactly. And in truth, that distinction almost exists today. A man and a woman are not married just because they have a ceremony with a member of the clergy. However, they can go to their local City Hall, file the paperwork, and get married by a Justice of the Peace (as well as other select officials) without ever setting foot in a house of worship or getting anyone's god involved.

Milo

Sure enough. Everybody has to get a license. But then clergymen still have the authority to close the deal, in place of a judge or justice of the peace. I'd like to see clergy lose that authority.

[michaelflanagansf]

Here's an interesting one....

"Oh, the Things You Find Out Online"

Fri Dec 28, 2:00 AM ET

DEAR MARGO: I find myself in a predicament that I never in a million years would have predicted. I am a 25-year-old man who is married to a beautiful, committed wife. Recently, I was chatting online and met a guy. He was funny and quick-witted. After a while we exchanged numbers and have talked for more than two hours every night since. Margo, I hate talking on the phone! Last night we were talking and laughing together, and after a moment of silence, I said, "God, I love you." I immediately apologized, but he said, "Don't." He said he has been fighting saying it, too.

Margo, we are both straight, and we both believe homosexuality is a sin. Neither of us knows what is going on. I haven't had any desire to spend time with my wife since this person came into my life. I only want to talk with "Matt." What is going on?

--- DAZED AND CONFUSED

Go here for her answer....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dear_margo/20071228/en_dm/margo_howard20071228;_ylt=AlCq6tdUMOb9pUpOSDJK1oIDW7oF

[milomorris]

Here's an interesting one....

"Oh, the Things You Find Out Online"

Fri Dec 28, 2:00 AM ET

DEAR MARGO: I find myself in a predicament that I never in a million years would have predicted. I am a 25-year-old man who is married to a beautiful, committed wife. Recently, I was chatting online and met a guy. He was funny and quick-witted. After a while we exchanged numbers and have talked for more than two hours every night since. Margo, I hate talking on the phone! Last night we were talking and laughing together, and after a moment of silence, I said, "God, I love you." I immediately apologized, but he said, "Don't." He said he has been fighting saying it, too.

Margo, we are both straight, and we both believe homosexuality is a sin. Neither of us knows what is going on. I haven't had any desire to spend time with my wife since this person came into my life. I only want to talk with "Matt." What is going on?

--- DAZED AND CONFUSED

Go here for her answer....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dear_margo/20071228/en_dm/margo_howard20071228;_ylt=AlCq6tdUMOb9pUpOSDJK1oIDW7oF

Hmmm...there certainly are a range of possibiilities. Obviously, one of them is that these guys are indeed homosexual. But I don't agree with all that other psycho-babble from Margo. These guys are just virgins when it comes to men. They'll figure it out when they hook up.

Another possibility (remote if I may say so myself) is that they have simply become very close platonic friends. What did they mean by "love?" English is such an im-precise language, what they could be feeling is brotherly love. Without being able to physically interact, or touch one another, we don't know if they could even function together erotically.

Interesting case.

Milo

[Flyboy]

Milo and Michael, I saw that Margo quote today too.........a bit on the assumption side, although becoming disinterested in your wife, and talking for two hours a night non-stop, raises questions about his love and devotion to his wife............then again, look how many of us have become somewhat addicted to DCF? just kidding.........unfortunately, we'll probably never know the outcome of that situation...........my question is this, is it all that much different than stopping by the local bar for a an hour or two almost every day after work?