When will a kiss not be shocking?

[CANSTANDIT]

I'm still waiting for a male to male 'french kiss' on the big screen.

Tom

Hi, BBT-I thought the laying down SNIT kiss was kinda frenchy, wasn't it? I thought I some tongue action...am I desperately imagining this??

See that's the moment where I pretend I'm Jake...so I'm thinking there is, friend! 

[CellarDweller115]

Sometimes I think a kiss will always be shocking.

An NYC radio station the other day was talking about how people see kissing as something more intimate than sex (I don't agree) and to see two guys sharing something like that will always shock certain people.

When you add to that the people who think that PDAs are inappropriate no matter who is doing the kissing, I think it will be quite some time before we see a male male kiss and not get some type of reaction.

[Lola]

An NYC radio station the other day was talking about how people see kissing as something more intimate than sex (I don't agree) and to see two guys sharing something like that will always shock certain people.

Some people do feel that way.  Remember Pretty Women, she would sleep with him, for money, but not kiss him.   

I was in Quebec City this summer and we saw two men outside a store just smooching up a storm, I don't know if they were just doing it to shock or what?  I know I don't stand outside stores smooching my husband! Thing is no one was shocked, people just kept walking and shopping and going about their business! 

[Gonzo]

I have met plenty of gay men who won't kiss.  They will do the most outrageous acts otherwise but will not kiss.  I think there is a psychological barrier about letting things come too close to their mouths/faces.  Sex itself can be interpreted as just a bodily function but kissing is alot more and means actual intimacy that these people can't bear.  IMO.

[Boris]

I have met plenty of gay men who won't kiss.  They will do the most outrageous acts otherwise but will not kiss.  I think there is a psychological barrier about letting things come too close to their mouths/faces.  Sex itself can be interpreted as just a bodily function but kissing is alot more and means actual intimacy that these people can't bear.  IMO.

I have refused to have anything intimate with men who do not kiss. If they're not man enough to do that, they're not man enough for me.

[fritzkep]

Whup 'em Jari!

[CellarDweller115]

I have met plenty of gay men who won't kiss.  They will do the most outrageous acts otherwise but will not kiss.  I think there is a psychological barrier about letting things come too close to their mouths/faces.  Sex itself can be interpreted as just a bodily function but kissing is alot more and means actual intimacy that these people can't bear.  IMO.

I have refused to have anything intimate with men who do not kiss. If they're not man enough to do that, they're not man enough for me.

Allow me to share a story.

I went to visit my freind "Ben", who lives in another state.  We used to work for the same company (he since moved) and that's how we knew each other.

Since he was a distance away, he invited me to spend the weekend at his place, and spend the weekend together.  We went out on Saturday night to a gay bar, and I got buzzed.  A conversation had been struck up between myself and some other guy at the bar (he was also buzzed) and we both wanted to "make out" and we started to do so at the bar.  Nothing else happened, and we exchanged emails.  Nothing else came out of it.

Next day, Ben and I were talking, and he says to me "Ya know, Chuck, at first I didn't see the kiss as much as hear the kiss, and I turned to say "Get a room!" and realized it was you.  I can't believe you did that."

I replied "Oh please.  It was just some kissing.  I don't see what the big deal is."

Ben:  "Chuck, you were kissing him.  That's something that boyfriends do.  He wasn't your boyfriend."

Me:  "Ben, you meet guys online, and then meet them that night for anonymous sex, and never see them again.  How can you talk to me about kissing someone I met at a bar?"

Ben:  "That's different.  Anyone can have sex.  Animals have sex.  What you did was much more intimate."



I was floored.  Maybe I'm old school, but I was raised that you start out small with hugs and kisses, and work your way up. 

[Boris]

Ben:  "That's different.  Anyone can have sex.  Animals have sex.  What you did was much more intimate."



I was floored.  Maybe I'm old school, but I was raised that you start out small with hugs and kisses, and work your way up. 

... or down as the case may be

I agree with you, Chuckie. I think it is symptomatic that gay men (some I know too) think that sex is something everyone, including animals do, but kissing, actual contact is something different. Even with one night stands I feel that if you're not ready to recognize that there's another human being and not just another warm body, dick or ass, you're gone someplace where I don't want to go.

Prostitutes refuse to kiss their clients.

[fritzkep]

I suppose I really don't have a dog in this fight, having had only one sex partner for as many years as I've know Earl, but I also could not imagine having sex with him without kissing him. So I agree with you Jari. The idea of having sex with someone without being willing to kiss him is rather repugnant.

[ImEnnisShesJack]

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[Gonzo]

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[phrag3]

Didn't know where to post this, but you have to watch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAVd7oqi_hQ

[mcnell1120]

Didn't know where to post this, but you have to watch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAVd7oqi_hQ

OMG............this was so beautiful...the song..everything..thanks so much for sharing it with us

Nellie

[sweety02]

I'm still waiting for a male to male 'french kiss' on the big screen.

Tom

Hi Tom!

I casually jumped into this thread and I got quite curious about this.

What's intended as FRENCH KISS?

Sorry, I am a bit naive but I really don't know the exact meaning of that!

Thanks
Sweety

[Boris]

Kiss with tongue.