Scenes on Brokeback Mountain

[Cally]

So would Ignorant Straight Girl be able to comprehend the relationship between the coffepot and the can of beans (+spoon)?

(Sorry, Dal, still here.)

[Dal]

Good point.  This conversation hereby goes to S & I. 

[Ellen (tellyouwhat)]

you don't have even a teentsy weentsy notion Aguirre was just  a tiny bit po'd at them??   

moving this convo here because I wanted to reply to CSI's question about why I think Aguirre brought the guys down early.  (from topic of the week)

CSI, I think Aguirre started off pissed off at them.  I think he was interested in sheep and nothing but sheep.  He was a mean s.o.b. who was already mad at Jack for the lighting storm last year.  He would certainly use any insulting language he had against Jack, (stem the rose), just because he could. 

But I think he figured that, in combination with the storm and the young guys losing interest in the sheep, he might as well bring them down.

I really think it was all about the sheep. 

[CANSTANDIT]

Fair enough..he was a businessman, after all. Can't argue with that.

[nagsheadsea412]

I think the Pentecost was introduced into the story so that by and by Jack could give his 'that means sinners like you and me will probably go to hell'....and of course that led to Ennis' line of 'I don't know about you but I haven't had that opportunity yet' and that opened the rivers to glorious damnation....

[CANSTANDIT]

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Welcome! that is a good lead-in to Ennis's line, isn't it?.

[andy]

I'm intrigued by the screen writers making the 'pentecost' scene as it was. To my mind, it serves to illustrate the boy's ignorance on such matters, (The pentecost is about the disciples receiving the holy spirit after the ascention into heaven by Christ and not the last judgement as Jack describes it.) but gives them a perfect opportunity for the mentioning of "Aint yet had the opportunity.''

[suelyblu]

New scene re: coming down off the mountain 1 month early.    Jack and Ennis deliver the sheep to Aguire. Go to local store get supplies ,jump back into Jacks pickup and drive straight back up to Brokeback and have the time of their lives, livin' , laughing and loving (the latter as much as possible) with no damn sheep to worry about.Well.........thats what I would have done. Come on ....don't tell me you have never thought about it? For a whole month!


                                                                suelyblu.

[CANSTANDIT]

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God, if only.....

[suelyblu]

I 'm happy some one else has got as good as imagination as me. Perhaps we could have given the screen writers a pointers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for  your comment canstandit.


                                                            suelyblu

[Ministering angel]

I 'm happy some one else has got as good as imagination as me. Perhaps we could have given the screen writers a pointers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for  your comment canstandit.


                                                            suelyblu

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[suelyblu]

Just a small something I noticed , when I first saw the film actually,  the scene after ' I miss you so much I can hardly stand it'  when they are asleep in the tent , I noticed that their hais has a LOT of grey in it. But as the phone call by Ennis to Lureen states as Ennis asks about Jacks death that he was only 39 and I believe Ennis was around the same age.  I think they aged them too much,  How do you see a 39 year old???


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[Dal]

Actually, I think the makeup crew were gentle with E & J.  Guys who work in the sun all day (hat or no hat), year in year out, and smoke, and drink, look a whole lot more, err, mature at 39 than Heath or Jake did.

[suelyblu]

Thanks Dal for the insight to a Cowboys life !!!! here in England we don't get weather beaten by the sun, we just go rusty in the rain,  booze is tooooooo expensive and you can't smoke in any bars ,pubs at work or anywhere unless you ....you guessed it.......stand outside in the rain


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[Dal]

Thanks Dal for the insight to a Cowboys life ~suelyblu x

Oh here -- I knew I had then around here, somewhere.  These pics are more/less famous, of a Montana rancher Richard Wheatcroft.  A well-known photograper, R Avedon, snapped him, as part of a book Avedon was doing on Western people.  They became friends, and Avedon shot him several times , over years. 

The first one here is from 1982;  Wheatcroft is 24 (not 19).  In the next 6 or 8 years, he worked like the devil on the ranch, maried, had six (I think) kids, divorced. 

The seconf picture is from 2003, which would make him... 46?  Just slightly older than we last see E and J.  The dew has definitely gone off the rose, has it not?  That's more or less what Ennis looked like in 1983, you bet.