Film vs. Book -- Which was better?

[ChrisW]

Hello foreverinawe, and thanks for posting your video. Welcome to the Forum!

You're right, it's very jumpy, and I would certainly like the chance to watch it without the jumps, so if you upload it somewhere, I'll download it.
Your words are what moved me most, I think, although the song does fit very well. Here in the UK we may have been overexposed to the song recently, but I don't think it's possible to be overexposed to Heath as Ennis. That shakes me every time.

There was a discussion about overnanalysis in Topic of the Week a couple of weeks ago. (BTW that was a good idea, have we run out of topics or is it just that Chuck is on holiday?) Your video, like many responses I suppose, defies analysis, and a good thing too.
What hit most of us was that raw emotional power, that's certainly what hit me, and both book and film had the same effect. The differences are interesting but the power is there in both cases.

That comes across in your video.

Big hugs and thanks, Chris
 

[ChrisW]

Anne Brooke's discussion is breathtaking in scope and insight. Her sensitivity to the humanity of the ladies in the movie is just wonderful.

- and you may live in Tennessee, but she's an English Eng Lit lady, it seems, if you follow the links. I am always impressed by the female insights. Thanks to whoever posted this - BCJ!

[lovelyamazing]

Disappointingly, Youtube's sound track does not keep up with the video, and there is a lot of starting and stopping as the buffer keeps running out. If one is willing to let the entire video download to the buffer before starting Play (about six minutes), it plays properly.

Here's the Youtube link (hit Pause, then let the buffer fill completely before hitting Play!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1CzvPxLGs4

I must warn you: this is not about pretty faces or happy trysts. It is how I think Annie saw the story, certainly how I see it. I'd love to hear what you think.

   ~~~foreverinawe

PS I would be happy to post it to YouSendIt, if anyone is interested enough. It would play on Windows Media Player (or any other video player), and eliminate the audio hitch. It's 34 megs.

Welcome to the forum foreverinawe
Just saw this beautiful video. Wow!

It downloads easily from youtube. The audio-synch and start-stop problems aren't there when you play from the downloaded file.

I've tweeted the link out so that many more can view it. I believe people will be deeply affected.

[ChrisW]

- thanks - but help, I don't know how to download from youtube, sorry for my ignorance.

[lovelyamazing]

- thanks - but help, I don't know how to download from youtube, sorry for my ignorance.

A download button comes up at the top right of the video as it starts playing. See if it works?

[andy]

I see no download button, Maya.

[andy]

''If one is willing to let the entire video download to the buffer before starting Play (about six minutes), it plays properly.''

Don't forget this instruction. I did it and it played perfectly. Once the video starts to play, press pause and wait for the  thingy to go right across. When done, just press play again.

[lovelyamazing]

I see no download button, Maya.

It seems reserved for me Andy!!! Right click on the video - see if it gives you a download to real player option. But I see you have no problem buffering so you don't need it.

[foreverinawe]

Re: Brokeback Dream

I know many folks have trouble with youtube, part of the reason being that yt sends out updates occasionally that not everyone gets, such as the capture feature. Anyhow, I have uploaded Brokeback Dream to yousendit, and if you care to download it, here it is:

https://download.yousendit.com/MnFqaXRMTEQ4aU4zZUE9PQ

When it starts, it asks if you want to play or save the file: choose Save. Where? The desktop.
It takes about :06 minutes (hardly more than letting the yt buffer fill up).

Once it's finished, it's permanently on your hard disk, and you don't need Internet at all to play it. All you have to do to play it is click its icon on the Desktop (it will automatically play in Windows Media Player). There's a full screen toggle in the lower right corner. There's some pretty scenery in there, and it looks even better in a darkened room.

Yousendit only provides the file for 7 days (or 100 downloads, whichever comes first). A hundred downloads seems highly unlikely, so probably the last day to get it will be Aug 9.

Thanks for so many kind comments, and I hope I haven't overlooked any messages. Being new to the group, I'm still a bit lost in navigating it, but I'm making progress (I think!) My apologies if I haven't acknowledged you; only navigatin' I'm used to is around the coffee pot, y'know.

   ~~~fia

[andy]

Sorry, nothing, right click or left. The pic you sent me doesn't appear on my screen either. Don't forget I'm pretty darned computer stupid... but all the same...

[lovelyamazing]

Sorry, nothing, right click or left. The pic you sent me doesn't appear on my screen either. Don't forget I'm pretty darned computer stupid... but all the same...

You are so cute LOL. foreverinawe explained that in the post above yours. All in all youtube=big pain. But problem has been solved with the yousendit link.

[lovelyamazing]

Thanks for so many kind comments, and I hope I haven't overlooked any messages. Being new to the group, I'm still a bit lost in navigating it, but I'm making progress (I think!) My apologies if I haven't acknowledged you; only navigatin' I'm used to is around the coffee pot, y'know.

   ~~~fia

Good to have you with us. LOL at the coffee pot

[andy]

Thanks fia, good to have you on board.

Double your posts and you'll be able to communicate via pm with any of us here.

[andy]

Fia, I've just been spending some time with your video and I can't get over how profoundly moving it is, bringing to the surface all the heartache of the OS.

As a Brit, your voice to me seems so evocative and just right.

Before this, I had but a casual acquaintance with the song and of course, that by way of Susan Boyles's recent success with it. The recording you use is not her, is it?

Reading the words of the song, they take on the most powerful meaning after your effort here. I can't ever imaging hearing this song again without seeing Ennis and Jack, especially Ennis.

I found it especially good where you played the last stanza of the song but cut to your own voice(on behalf of Ennis) for the last line; tell me this can't be... I see the beauty turned to shame...life has killed the dream i dreamed  Brilliant!

I take my hat off to you sir, and I suspect you have given us all here something beyond moving by which to commemorate this, our story.

Andy.

[foreverinawe]

Fia, I've just been spending some time with your video and I can't get over how profoundly moving it is, bringing to the surface all the heartache of the OS.

Grows on you, eh? Only chiding, it's been growing on me for three and a half years. Finally got so bad I decided to change my name to foreverinawe. 


As a Brit, your voice to me seems so evocative and just right.

I had hoped to persuade someone with a voice like Ennis's to do the narration, but I discovered two things: no one I knew sounded like him (and I really do know a lot of people), and when it came time to put the tracks together, I decided to change the dialogue. Well, if I had a narrator, that would have meant getting him back to re-do the part that changed, and that was simply impracticable. So I wound up doing it myself, many times.


Before this, I had but a casual acquaintance with the song and of course, that by way of Susan Boyles's recent success with it. The recording you use is not her, is it?

No, it's Judy Kuhn, an American Broadway star. I found this version on youtube, made when she performed it at the White House for President Reagan over 20 years ago. I love the way she gradually sharpens the edge on her voice — to palpable outrage. Anyone who's dream has been killed is entitled to that.


Reading the words of the song, they take on the most powerful meaning after your effort here. I can't ever imaging hearing this song again without seeing Ennis and Jack, especially Ennis.

It's strange. When I first heard "I Dreamed A Dream" 25 years ago, I thought "My God, that's one of the darkest, most heartwrenching songs ever written." I think I may have pushed it into my subconscious just because it was so depressing. Honestly, I forgot it!

Brokeback Mountain happened thereafter, and Susan Boyle followed. That's when it all came flooding together for me.


I found it especially good where you played the last stanza of the song but cut to your own voice(on behalf of Ennis) for the last line; tell me this can't be... I see the beauty turned to shame...life has killed the dream i dreamed  Brilliant!

Yeah, that's the very line where I really wanted Ennis's voice. But I'm beginning to think it doesn't make much difference. For Brokies, they get it. For anti-Brokies, I don't care if they never get it.


I take my hat off to you sir, and I suspect you have given us all here something beyond moving by which to commemorate this, our story.

Thanks, Andy. I've said this on many occasions, but Brokeback Mountain is the finest story I've ever read. And Brokeback Mountain is the finest movie I've ever seen.

   ~~~fia